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#16 Outlander

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 01:49 PM

Call Lee Berger and tell him Richard Scholl's office staff sent you. Lee has sent a few coastal cases our way and your matter sounds like something Lee might be interested in taking on.

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE (timknox @ Jun 15 2006, 10:06 PM)
What am I missing? 


The larger issues of police and prosecutorial power; it is out of control. Police on neighborhood beats take cues from leadership and leadership is providing terrible direction.

PC in this situation is questionable. Ok, the cops had PC to conduct a search because a crime was in progress. Then the cops realize, oops, a couple of young girls don't have a firearm, well, better make good and arrest them for something.

Cops have discretionary power in decision making. They could have called Mom or Dad; that probably would have put some fear into the kids to have an escort back home vis a vis LO PD, or have parents pick them up.

There was a judgement call for the cops to make, and they, in my opinion made a bad judgement call.

There are real-live bad guys out there, cops need to police that stuff, not two teenage girls smoking tobacco.

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE (Joe T. @ Jun 16 2006, 03:03 PM)
There are real-live bad guys out there, cops need to police that stuff, not two teenage girls smoking tobacco.


You all should really listen to the Lake O police blotter sometime on KPAM in the morning. They really *do* have nothing better to do in Lake O than arrest 15 year old girls! laugh.gif Unlike Portland, where the jails have human sized pet doors.. Lake O is America's version of Signapore.. they'd cane 'em if they could!

Brad.. I'll excuse you if you're not finding this very funny right now and I apologize... I'd probably be pretty peeved too if I were in your shoes... wink.gif

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 05:53 PM

Thank you. It's a matter of priorities and police heavy-handedness. It turns out that smoking a cigarette, as a minor, is equivalent to a parking ticket. It's Class D "violation." Probably not worth taking to trial, although I'd love to waste $2,000 of Lake O taxpayer money to force the thing through trial, just on principal. Lake O cops have nothing to do, except harass kids who don't look like Barbie & Ken. My daughter, in the meantime, has learned her lesson and, hopefully, will not take up smoking as a regular habit. Her grandmother, after all, died at age 57 due, in part, to a life of smoking and drinking. It's been interesting to read the responses. I'm cooled down, a bit. But, I won't put up with goons with guns and a high school education. My daughter has already learned a few valuable lessons: don't break the law, don't do things that ruin your health, don't piss off your parents, and question authority.
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 08:04 PM

QUOTE (BadAss @ Jun 16 2006, 06:53 PM)
don't piss off your parents, and question authority.

Aren't these contradictory? happy.png
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:05 PM

Dudeman - admit it.

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 06:18 AM

QUOTE (Joe D. @ Jun 16 2006, 09:04 PM)
Aren't these contradictory?  happy.png


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Posted 17 June 2006 - 07:02 AM

There was an interesting piece on 20/20 last night about how to interact with the cops when the situation arises. Here's the link to the print version; video might also be online.

The lawyer they featured says that when the cops ask you if they can search your car, house, etc, you should always say no. She said nothing good ever comes of trying to explain things to the cops. You should refuse to take field sobriety tests and breathalyzers. In the most recent jail-Blazer incident lots of people were hammering on Zach Randolph for not letting cops search his car when it was stopped. According to the lawyer on the show that is exactly what he should have done.

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 07:12 AM

In this particular case, my daughter, her boyfriend, and another friend were sitting in a field. My daughter and her friend were both smoking a cigarette when the cops walked up to them. The boyfriend was not smoking and did not have any tobacco products on him. The cops told the kids some dumbshit story about someone, down the road, who reported a stolen gun. These kids, of course, had no gun on them. They asked the boyfriend, who had a small pack, if they could search his pack. He initially said "no," but eventually allowed them to rifle through his pack where, they found a small pocketknife. They then cited him for unlawful possession of a weapon! I have counseled his family to fight the charge.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 08:07 AM

In the case on 20/20 a cop came to the door and asked the homeowner if he could come in and talk. The homeowner said yes. Three cops came in, not just the one that came to the door. As one cop talked with the homeowner in the entryway the other two cops roamed around the house.

The homeowner's kids had a few friends over and they were gathered in the basement. Some uninvited teens crashed their kids get together and brought alcohol, unbeknownst to the parents. The cops charged the parents with supplying alcohol to minors. They have spent over $100k fighting the charge in court.

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 03:26 PM

i used to do criminal defense. i'd say hands down the best criminal defense lawyer around is steve houze. he is expensive but is probably the most thorough person i've ever worked with. d.a.'s are afraid of him and judge's do what he says. dry.gif

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE (rizzo @ Jun 17 2006, 04:26 PM)
i used to do criminal defense.  i'd say hands down the best criminal defense lawyer around is steve houze.  he is expensive but is probably the most thorough person i've ever worked with.  d.a.'s are afraid of him and judge's do what he says.  dry.gif


Thanks for the tip. Depending on how this $125 ticket impacts my daughter's college prospects, I may contact Mr. Houze. My gut feeling, however, is that it won't have a huge impact on things. BTW, did you do the Mt. Hood Scramble, and did we meet?
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 03:56 PM

QUOTE (BadAss @ Jun 18 2006, 02:58 PM)
Thanks for the tip.  Depending on how this $125 ticket impacts my daughter's college prospects, I may contact Mr. Houze.  My gut feeling, however, is that it won't have a huge impact on things.  BTW, did you do the Mt. Hood Scramble, and did we meet?

i did not do the scramble. i pulled weeds and dead headed roses. rough work. grin.png

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (rizzo @ Jun 18 2006, 04:56 PM)
i did not do the scramble. i pulled weeds and dead headed roses. rough work.  grin.png


I can (could) relate. I used to like doing that work. After I gave the house to my ex-wife, however, I can concentrate on scrambles.....
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (rizzo @ Jun 18 2006, 04:56 PM)
i did not do the scramble. i pulled weeds and dead headed roses. rough work.  grin.png


Weeding and deadheading are the coolest...I did that a lot today. grin.png




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